MikeeCZ
Indonesian government offered Manor 15 million euro if they let their Indonesian driver race. Its starting to be a bit too ridiculous how nobody is hiding how to get into f1 anymore.
MikeeCZ
Just learned a new interesting fact, according to Nico Rosberg the drivers helmets cost between 10 000- 15 000 british pounds :-D
Denstjiro
2 weeks for the new season guise!!
I have no idea if I should be exited or not, not that up to date with the latest gossip apart from the new qualifying system that has been changed 3 times now but seem to come in effect in Melbourne now.
Times seem closer but of course no1 is showing their true form yet.
I have no idea if I should be exited or not, not that up to date with the latest gossip apart from the new qualifying system that has been changed 3 times now but seem to come in effect in Melbourne now.
Times seem closer but of course no1 is showing their true form yet.
MikeeCZ
Well from what ive read and seen the differences between 2015 and 2016 excitement wise will be minimal, it will be probably even more boring. Everybody is already kinda betting on 2017 where the cars are apparently supposed to become loads faster (but will probably provide even worse racing cuz they will have more downforce = dirty air) so nothing that would indicate any form of imporvement
Denstjiro
>Spoilers ahead<
So, opinions on the new Qualifying system? or maybe too early too tell?
I think it has potential, more action on track=better, obviously teams are adapting and a more slick and smart way of attacking this will be eminent.
Its not just slowest car/out, it also seems to be an elimination game where a good placed lap in a timeframe can eliminate others like Verstappen did, he basically killed two drivers still eligible for times by doing his fastest lap in the right moment. Can get exiting in the future I reckon.
Q3 was disappointing and they might need to fix that, maybe allow peeps to finish when they on a fast lap and clock runs out.
But knowing how smart these teams are and how sneaky they can get, gonna be worth watching me thinks.
And just a bit of personal pride, Verstappen 5th, bloody hell man
))
Ferrari got their power increased 30% with the new engine but Toro Rosso got a massive 80% increase by using the old Ferrari engine. gonna be a good season for the cheeseheads
So, opinions on the new Qualifying system? or maybe too early too tell?
I think it has potential, more action on track=better, obviously teams are adapting and a more slick and smart way of attacking this will be eminent.
Its not just slowest car/out, it also seems to be an elimination game where a good placed lap in a timeframe can eliminate others like Verstappen did, he basically killed two drivers still eligible for times by doing his fastest lap in the right moment. Can get exiting in the future I reckon.
Q3 was disappointing and they might need to fix that, maybe allow peeps to finish when they on a fast lap and clock runs out.
But knowing how smart these teams are and how sneaky they can get, gonna be worth watching me thinks.
And just a bit of personal pride, Verstappen 5th, bloody hell man
))Ferrari got their power increased 30% with the new engine but Toro Rosso got a massive 80% increase by using the old Ferrari engine. gonna be a good season for the cheeseheads
MikeeCZ
People dont seem to like it and neither the drivers or teams. I dont think it will hang around
hexagramme
The new format has tons of potential, it just needs some tweaking, especially for Q3.
The current outcry and demand of immediately reverting to the old format seems very silly to me.
People are very quick to conveniently forget the countless dull qualifying sessions the old format brought us in recent years.
With some tweaks, this new format could end up becoming edge of the seat material, unlike what the old format produced a lot of the time.
It'd be a shame to kill off this new qualy format before it even really gets a proper chance, although that is probably what's going to happen.
I'm also stoked to see Toro Rosso that far up the grid, seems like a genuinely fast car.
Excited to see what the race brings for them.
I'll be watching out for Magnussen, to see if he can slip by Palmer at the start of the race.
I'm sure he can.
The current outcry and demand of immediately reverting to the old format seems very silly to me.
People are very quick to conveniently forget the countless dull qualifying sessions the old format brought us in recent years.
With some tweaks, this new format could end up becoming edge of the seat material, unlike what the old format produced a lot of the time.
It'd be a shame to kill off this new qualy format before it even really gets a proper chance, although that is probably what's going to happen.
I'm also stoked to see Toro Rosso that far up the grid, seems like a genuinely fast car.
Excited to see what the race brings for them.
I'll be watching out for Magnussen, to see if he can slip by Palmer at the start of the race.
I'm sure he can.
Denstjiro
For sure he will, Palmer will just be focussing on getting off the grid at all
I'm already sorry for Rosberg, seems he is starting off where he left 2015, under pressure, frustrated, wanting too much.
Or maybe that's just reading into it too much but it didn't look too tidy to me.
I'm already sorry for Rosberg, seems he is starting off where he left 2015, under pressure, frustrated, wanting too much.
Or maybe that's just reading into it too much but it didn't look too tidy to me.
tjc
Like many others I didn`t like the new qualifying format... maybe, just maybe if they tweak things it`ll get better but nope, didn`t really take to it.
Feel for Rosberg too. I think Hamilton`s got him mentally and I`m not sure Rosberg has it in him to overcome that. Hope I`m wrong though as I`d love to see him really take the fight to Hamilton this year and also love to see him win a WDC but... it`s going to be tough I think...
Feel for Rosberg too. I think Hamilton`s got him mentally and I`m not sure Rosberg has it in him to overcome that. Hope I`m wrong though as I`d love to see him really take the fight to Hamilton this year and also love to see him win a WDC but... it`s going to be tough I think...
Luc Van Camp
Qualifying? More action on track? Here are some unsurprising numbers:
2012 - 24 cars - 323 laps - Dry - both HRTs completed 3 laps
2013 - 16 cars - 372 laps - Wet/Dry - No one hit serious trouble
2014 - 22 cars - 312 laps - Wet - Maldonado somehow managed to complete 3 laps!
2015 - 20 cars - 273 laps - Dry - No one hit serious trouble
2016 - 22 cars - 222 laps - Dry - No one hit serious trouble
Not to mention the fact that, except for the two Mercs, the track only saw about 6 minutes of action (everyone on track for one run) in the last 15-18 minutes or so of the session. This will only get worse once teams figure out the system to perfection. The lengthy Q1 runs seemed very generous of them, perhaps because they did a bit of extended testing after Friday's disturbed sessions.
I even missed the second Q3 run of Mercedes because I was browsing the web and just ... missed it. I wonder why.
More action on track? Not quite. Oh well, at least we have a totally unpredictable grid ... right.
2012 - 24 cars - 323 laps - Dry - both HRTs completed 3 laps
2013 - 16 cars - 372 laps - Wet/Dry - No one hit serious trouble
2014 - 22 cars - 312 laps - Wet - Maldonado somehow managed to complete 3 laps!
2015 - 20 cars - 273 laps - Dry - No one hit serious trouble
2016 - 22 cars - 222 laps - Dry - No one hit serious trouble
Not to mention the fact that, except for the two Mercs, the track only saw about 6 minutes of action (everyone on track for one run) in the last 15-18 minutes or so of the session. This will only get worse once teams figure out the system to perfection. The lengthy Q1 runs seemed very generous of them, perhaps because they did a bit of extended testing after Friday's disturbed sessions.
I even missed the second Q3 run of Mercedes because I was browsing the web and just ... missed it. I wonder why.
More action on track? Not quite. Oh well, at least we have a totally unpredictable grid ... right.
MikeeCZ
So what do you think tomorrow? Im gonna go insane with my tip and sa Merc 1,2, Fiats 3,4 and than who knows.
This almost feels like simply pro-longed 2015 season, not a new season, simply same old same old
This almost feels like simply pro-longed 2015 season, not a new season, simply same old same old
tjc
Mercs 1-2... for sure (unless there`s tangles with other cars) probably Ferrari 3-4 yeah... the rest... well we`ll see I guess.
Tuttle
tjc
lol... yeah unfortunately that`ll be the case... won`t be the first time I`ve nodded off during a F1 race...
To be fair usually the early starters (for me in Scotland) that I drop off during but yeah...
F1 is often...
zzzzzzzzzz...
These days...
To be fair usually the early starters (for me in Scotland) that I drop off during but yeah...
F1 is often...
zzzzzzzzzz...
These days...
MikeeCZ
Ye im defo not getting up for it tomorrow, ill just get up normally, make a coffee and read how hamilton gives Rosberg reason to try harder
woochoo
If anyone was looking for an absurd but potentially interesting qualifying format..
they could do the standard 3 session thing, but instead of knocking out the slowest five/six drivers, they could knock out the slowest five/six in even-numbered positions at the end of each session, until the third session.
At the end of the final session the even-numbered places get shuffled to the bottom of the top ten. So the final session grid would be - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th.
It might keep people active, because anyone in an even position near the end of a session might want to move up a position, and odd-placed drivers might want to defend against that. It's not a total crap-shoot, and it's not a reverse grid either. It's also possible it would be a completely new type of disaster
So I guess a full session grid would be:
Session 1:
1 -
- 2
3 -
- 4
5 -
- 6
7 -
- 8
9 -
-10
11-
-12*
13-
-14*
15-
-16*
17-
-18*
19-
-20*
21-
-22*
Session 2:
1 -
- 2
3 -
- 4
5 -
- 6*
7 -
- 8*
9 -
-10*
11-
-12*
13-
-14*
15-
-16*
Session 3:
1 -
- 2*
3 -
- 4*
5 -
- 6*
7 -
- 8*
9 -
-10*
Final Grid:
1 -
- 3
5 -
- 7
9 -
- 2
4 -
- 6
8 -
-10
----
11-
-12
13-
-14
15-
-16
----
17-
-18
19-
-20
21-
-22
Crazy, right?
Any leagues want to give it a try?
they could do the standard 3 session thing, but instead of knocking out the slowest five/six drivers, they could knock out the slowest five/six in even-numbered positions at the end of each session, until the third session.
At the end of the final session the even-numbered places get shuffled to the bottom of the top ten. So the final session grid would be - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th.
It might keep people active, because anyone in an even position near the end of a session might want to move up a position, and odd-placed drivers might want to defend against that. It's not a total crap-shoot, and it's not a reverse grid either. It's also possible it would be a completely new type of disaster
So I guess a full session grid would be:
Session 1:
1 -
- 2
3 -
- 4
5 -
- 6
7 -
- 8
9 -
-10
11-
-12*
13-
-14*
15-
-16*
17-
-18*
19-
-20*
21-
-22*
Session 2:
1 -
- 2
3 -
- 4
5 -
- 6*
7 -
- 8*
9 -
-10*
11-
-12*
13-
-14*
15-
-16*
Session 3:
1 -
- 2*
3 -
- 4*
5 -
- 6*
7 -
- 8*
9 -
-10*
Final Grid:
1 -
- 3
5 -
- 7
9 -
- 2
4 -
- 6
8 -
-10
----
11-
-12
13-
-14
15-
-16
----
17-
-18
19-
-20
21-
-22
Crazy, right?
Any leagues want to give it a try?
Saabjock
Okay! I'm not going to beat-around-the-bush on this....
The new qualifying format is absolute s***.
That's my opinion and I've been following F1 since 1971.
It's an absolute farce when a guy is knocked out while on his best lap.
I saw that too many times today.
The new qualifying format is absolute s***.
That's my opinion and I've been following F1 since 1971.
It's an absolute farce when a guy is knocked out while on his best lap.
I saw that too many times today.
DurgeDriven
The teams have voted to return to 2015 rules for next race.
bwana
Q1and2 was interesting but q3 a farce.. Hope you all enjoy the Melbourne series opener.. Wave to my family watching from their balcony. Sister lives 300m from track And dad 400m . .
MikeeCZ
Please dont discuss the race results until the end of today so people have chance to read the news without spoiling it here
EDIT: Thinking about that, screw that, if you dont want it spoiled dont come here reading a forum topic that is about F1
EDIT: Thinking about that, screw that, if you dont want it spoiled dont come here reading a forum topic that is about F1
bwana
Yep that makes much more sense mikee. Great race btw.
John
The entire race was just fantastic right from the first corner to the flag at the end. The new boys did spectacularly well too. Alonso's shunt was horrendous though. So pleased he just hopped out and walked away from it.
Denstjiro
Yeah nice race, quite a few surprises, newcomers did quite well!
Verstappen was sooooo mad lol, his Dutch interview after the race was hilarious, he tried so hard to not say anything and he mostly did but his anger was pouring out of his vanes lol. 18 y/o and the son of Jos, not a good mix
Such a shame they canned the new Q-system right away, I do believe it had great potential, despite what numbers might say, it just needed some tweaking and experience but oh well.
But yeah, gonna be a repeat of 2015 mostly. Verstappen on 5th in Q meant we got up at 5 in the morning for it, first time in years and prolly the last time as well.
Verstappen was sooooo mad lol, his Dutch interview after the race was hilarious, he tried so hard to not say anything and he mostly did but his anger was pouring out of his vanes lol. 18 y/o and the son of Jos, not a good mix
Such a shame they canned the new Q-system right away, I do believe it had great potential, despite what numbers might say, it just needed some tweaking and experience but oh well.
But yeah, gonna be a repeat of 2015 mostly. Verstappen on 5th in Q meant we got up at 5 in the morning for it, first time in years and prolly the last time as well.
tjc
Yeah it was quite a good race. Entertaining and had action too. Horrible crash for Alonso, really glad he walked out of that as he did, could have been a very different outcome.
Newbies did quite well. Ferrari kind of shot themselves in the foot though.
Delighted Rosberg got the win.
Newbies did quite well. Ferrari kind of shot themselves in the foot though.
Delighted Rosberg got the win.
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hexagramme
Except for Ferrari not getting the win I thought they deserved, I was very pleased with the race.
It is typical however, Ferrari tripping over themselves when they appear to have a race in their grasp (Nürburgring 1999 springs to mind as the most comical example of this).
Rosberg, very happy to see him keeping up the great form from the end of last season.
Good thing his brakes and tires lasted the distance, sounds like Merc was close to retiring his car close to the finish!
I really hope ROS can give HAM a run for his money this year.
He kinda has to, I doubt he'll be seated in a race winning car next year if he doesn't beat HAM this year.
Stoked to see Haas get their first points so soon! Always great to see the "underdog" do well.
And Grosjean, one of my absolute favorite drivers since 2012, got well deserved result I think.
Thoroughly disappointed that Magnussen's race ended before it even began.
But his race pace was very impressive, Palmer will have his work cut out for him this year.
I'm also very disappointed that they scrapped the new qualifying format without even giving it a proper chance with a few tweaks.
I guess we'll go back to old style 99,9% predictable qualy then..
Anyway, game on 2016.
Can't wait for the next GP.
It is typical however, Ferrari tripping over themselves when they appear to have a race in their grasp (Nürburgring 1999 springs to mind as the most comical example of this).
Rosberg, very happy to see him keeping up the great form from the end of last season.
Good thing his brakes and tires lasted the distance, sounds like Merc was close to retiring his car close to the finish!
I really hope ROS can give HAM a run for his money this year.
He kinda has to, I doubt he'll be seated in a race winning car next year if he doesn't beat HAM this year.
Stoked to see Haas get their first points so soon! Always great to see the "underdog" do well.
And Grosjean, one of my absolute favorite drivers since 2012, got well deserved result I think.
Thoroughly disappointed that Magnussen's race ended before it even began.
But his race pace was very impressive, Palmer will have his work cut out for him this year.
I'm also very disappointed that they scrapped the new qualifying format without even giving it a proper chance with a few tweaks.
I guess we'll go back to old style 99,9% predictable qualy then..
Anyway, game on 2016.
Can't wait for the next GP.
hexagramme
"Potential U-turn on the U-turn"
Seems we could end up with some sort of hybrid of the two qualifying formats:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-now-evaluating-elimination-qualifying-tweaks-for-bahrain-681873/
Seems we could end up with some sort of hybrid of the two qualifying formats:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-now-evaluating-elimination-qualifying-tweaks-for-bahrain-681873/
Tuttle
What a joke...
And btw....don't say "U-Turn".... Bernie could introduce it as a new rule...
And btw....don't say "U-Turn".... Bernie could introduce it as a new rule...
MikeeCZ
Only if he can sell it somehow
hexagramme
Too late.
Thursday night before the next GP prepare for an announcement like this:
"When 5 mins. and 28 secs. of Q3 has passed, every driver who has not set a personal best in sector 2 on their latest lap must slow to a stop on track, make a U-turn and drive against the traffic.
Sprinklers will then turn on, dousing the track in water, with cars driving in both directions.
Driver elimination will then occur naturally.
Last man standing gets pole.
-Bernie"
Denstjiro
Drivers getting more vocal as well asking for abandoning the obsolete and ill-structured decision making processes.
Drivers Association sending out an open letter.
Hamilton saying he doesn't even bother to attend drivers meetings because 'they' don't listen anyways.
I think its nice to see they put so much effort in making it a spectacle so fans will get less upset about how boring F1 is getting. its like a soap opera, can't wait for Bahrain
Drivers Association sending out an open letter.
Hamilton saying he doesn't even bother to attend drivers meetings because 'they' don't listen anyways.
I think its nice to see they put so much effort in making it a spectacle so fans will get less upset about how boring F1 is getting. its like a soap opera, can't wait for Bahrain
MikeeCZ
Unless bernie will start getting some sort of payments from drivers, he wont listen. It needs to get a lot worse in order for them to actually change things.. people high in the hiearchy are getting too rich to let go
hexagramme
Oh dear...
A U-turn on the U-turn on the U-turn.
The elimination style qualifying will remain unaltered for Bahrain.
A U-turn on the U-turn on the U-turn.
The elimination style qualifying will remain unaltered for Bahrain.
MikeeCZ
You should start calling it donuts :-D
hexagramme
A brilliant read (as usual) by Buxton:
https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/fixing-a-hole/
https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/fixing-a-hole/
Nimugp
A nice read, but I wouldn't want that single lap qually he proposes. We had such a thing, and I found that the most boring way of qualifying to watch that we have had over the years. It is nice to see (both on track, or on television) lots of on-track action. It would maybe randomise the grid a bit, but not much (unless rain is involved). If you see a manor on a hot lap you know it isn't going to be pole, and if you see a mercedes/ferrari you know that unless the driver makes a big mistake, he isn't going to be in the bottom half. Pole would be decided by maybe 4 hotlaps (2 ferrari laps, 2 mercedes laps), the rest of the session isn't about pole position. I even prefer the current way over that way.
The problem with the current qualifying, especially in Q3, is the lack of time, and the risk vs reward...... If a car goes out on track, do a warmup lap, a hotlap, and a lap back to the pits, then there are 5 minutes or so gone. Then there is no time for a tyre change, another warmup lap, and another hotlap for the slowest 2 or 3 drivers. So then there are only 5 drivers left with a shot of improving, taking a fresh set of tyres away from the race, to probably not improve much (unless you are a mercedes, maybe ferrari, the rest don't normally have a real shot), and while for most drivers it is hard to improve, there is little or no risk to lose places (or not a lot anyway), because most drivers are eliminated anyway. Take Verstappen in Australia, he was P5, it wasn't likely that he was going to beat mercedes or ferrari, and all drivers behind him didn't have time to go on track and even try to improve. Surely it would be dumb to use a fresh set of tyres for that, that he would otherwise use in the race. And then Ferrari thought exactly the same. Verstappen didn't go out, so worst they could do was P3 and P4, while with the pace of Mercedes it wasn't really a huge shot to improve anyway. And even if they would improve, they would hardly move up the grid, they'ld rather have their fresh tyres. This is why this new qually doesn't work, especially in Q3. There is very little on track action, because they won't be punished for not going out, but if they go out they are likely to lose more then they can gain. (unless mercedes does a sloppy first lap and sits in P5 or P6 or so).
My personal choice would be to have at least Q3 the same as it was last year, because then, by not going out on track for a second lap, you can potentially lose a lot of positions, and if your first lap wasn't perfect (P6, P7, P8), you can gain a couple of positions, producing more on track action (as we have seen the last couple of years). In the final minute there are usually at least 2 drivers (both mercedes) fighting for pole, and also Ferrari, not wanting to risk being overtaking by the guys behind, are on track and can potentially go for pole. I really thought that was way more exciting. For Q1 and Q2 I wouldn't mind to much, it wasn't to bad in melbourne, and I think there it has the potential to shake things up a bit from time to time, without costing to much on-track action. Although the old way was fine there as well.
I really don't understand why they try to spice up the qualifying though. It was nice as it was, and clearly the problem in boring races is not the starting order, but the fact cars just have a very hard time following each other closely. Otherwise in Australia we should have seen way more overtaking as well, with the best example being that Hamilton couldn't come close enough to Verstappen to even consider an attack, while he was clearly faster as he proved in qually, and after he cleared Verstappen with the pitstops. That has been the biggest issue in F1 for quite some time.
Mixed up grids don't provide excitement, if they can't race. I am pretty sure that if the grid would be mixed up in bahrain, that there will still be little overtaking, except for the DRS zones, which in my opinion aren't real overtakes anyway. (a real overtake in my mind is outsmarting the other driver, outbraking or something, not simple have a higher speed and do the move on the middle of the straight).
The problem with the current qualifying, especially in Q3, is the lack of time, and the risk vs reward...... If a car goes out on track, do a warmup lap, a hotlap, and a lap back to the pits, then there are 5 minutes or so gone. Then there is no time for a tyre change, another warmup lap, and another hotlap for the slowest 2 or 3 drivers. So then there are only 5 drivers left with a shot of improving, taking a fresh set of tyres away from the race, to probably not improve much (unless you are a mercedes, maybe ferrari, the rest don't normally have a real shot), and while for most drivers it is hard to improve, there is little or no risk to lose places (or not a lot anyway), because most drivers are eliminated anyway. Take Verstappen in Australia, he was P5, it wasn't likely that he was going to beat mercedes or ferrari, and all drivers behind him didn't have time to go on track and even try to improve. Surely it would be dumb to use a fresh set of tyres for that, that he would otherwise use in the race. And then Ferrari thought exactly the same. Verstappen didn't go out, so worst they could do was P3 and P4, while with the pace of Mercedes it wasn't really a huge shot to improve anyway. And even if they would improve, they would hardly move up the grid, they'ld rather have their fresh tyres. This is why this new qually doesn't work, especially in Q3. There is very little on track action, because they won't be punished for not going out, but if they go out they are likely to lose more then they can gain. (unless mercedes does a sloppy first lap and sits in P5 or P6 or so).
My personal choice would be to have at least Q3 the same as it was last year, because then, by not going out on track for a second lap, you can potentially lose a lot of positions, and if your first lap wasn't perfect (P6, P7, P8), you can gain a couple of positions, producing more on track action (as we have seen the last couple of years). In the final minute there are usually at least 2 drivers (both mercedes) fighting for pole, and also Ferrari, not wanting to risk being overtaking by the guys behind, are on track and can potentially go for pole. I really thought that was way more exciting. For Q1 and Q2 I wouldn't mind to much, it wasn't to bad in melbourne, and I think there it has the potential to shake things up a bit from time to time, without costing to much on-track action. Although the old way was fine there as well.
I really don't understand why they try to spice up the qualifying though. It was nice as it was, and clearly the problem in boring races is not the starting order, but the fact cars just have a very hard time following each other closely. Otherwise in Australia we should have seen way more overtaking as well, with the best example being that Hamilton couldn't come close enough to Verstappen to even consider an attack, while he was clearly faster as he proved in qually, and after he cleared Verstappen with the pitstops. That has been the biggest issue in F1 for quite some time.
Mixed up grids don't provide excitement, if they can't race. I am pretty sure that if the grid would be mixed up in bahrain, that there will still be little overtaking, except for the DRS zones, which in my opinion aren't real overtakes anyway. (a real overtake in my mind is outsmarting the other driver, outbraking or something, not simple have a higher speed and do the move on the middle of the straight).
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Denstjiro
I'm glad it will be this system for Bahrain though, not because I want it to happen dearly but simply to see what teams come up with to get the upper hand. Too many surprises and fails in Melbourne, here's hoping they find some good ways to tackle this.
hexagramme
I don't know if this is old news, but apparently Alonso was not just a little lucky to walk away from his Melbourne crash..
He was very lucky. His seat broke.
EDIT:
And yeah, I'm with you on that one Denstjiro, I'm glad they're keeping the new system.
I'm not gonna pretend it worked well in Australia, because it didn't, but it's brand new and a lot of teams didn't even fully understand it at the time.
It'll be very interesting to see how they attack it in Bahrain.
He was very lucky. His seat broke.
EDIT:
And yeah, I'm with you on that one Denstjiro, I'm glad they're keeping the new system.
I'm not gonna pretend it worked well in Australia, because it didn't, but it's brand new and a lot of teams didn't even fully understand it at the time.
It'll be very interesting to see how they attack it in Bahrain.
Tuttle
MikeeCZ
Tuttle
..that's also Ickx VS Hulkemberg, Ferrari Vs Force India, V12 Vs V6, 1970 Spa VS Hocke(boring)nheim... F1 gotten worse really.