So, Triple Screen or Projector?

taufikp

The FOV is too high I think, but it sure does convey the illusion that you are sitting in the cockpit.


Well, for me the price of a single video projector is a lot cheaper than buying 2 more 32" monitors. :D
 
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I`ve seen a few screens and videos showing projection screens and I`ve got to say I agree, they certainly do give a great impression of actually being in the cockpit behind the wheel...

I do wonder what the image quality is like on them though as I do like my IQ...

If anybody here has used one or does atm then I`d appreciate your comments. :)

Have you ever tried one taufikp?
 
tjc said:
I`ve seen a few screens and videos showing projection screens and I`ve got to say I agree, they certainly do give a great impression of actually being in the cockpit behind the wheel...

I do wonder what the image quality is like on them though as I do like my IQ...

If anybody here has used one or does atm then I`d appreciate your comments. :)

Have you ever tried one taufikp?
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Haven't try it and really would love to buy a projector. A friend of mine, Christopher Snow (a member of this forum as well) actually does have similar projector screen with 3D vision, according to him, the immersion level is fantastic.

Here's another video, showing 5 screen setup, but running iRacing. Can rF2 (or rF1) support monitor more than 3?

 
I really dont like multiple screens, I dislike that fragmented vision.
I had some research about projectors, looks like you can have a decent one for 1000?
 
I have a triple head setup and a projector , the problem is that it is hard to chose.
My projector is old (1280*1024) but the quality pretty good enough in fact, it is really immersive , i'm savingmoney now to buy a 1080p 3d one (but that coast a lot! )

i love my eyefinity setup too but it's less immersive in fact now.
 
Reprobator said:
I have a triple head setup and a projector , the problem is that it is hard to chose.
My projector is old (1280*1024) but the quality pretty good enough in fact, it is really immersive , i'm savingmoney now to buy a 1080p 3d one (but that coast a lot! )

i love my eyefinity setup too but it's less immersive in fact now.
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You can play rF2 with 1280x720 resolution, which IMO, its quality is quite good on big screen. The problem with projector is, you need darker room, and maybe more space than multi monitors setup?
 
taufikp said:
The problem with projector is, you need darker room, and maybe more space than multi monitors setup?
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It is better to play at night, but window blinds may do the trick, 1080 projectors are very bright.
As for space, you can have projector on the ceiling, so I wouldnt say more space especially if you use a projection screen approx or a bit bigger than triple screen setup.
 
Problem with 3D Vision is that if you sit that close like in that video the 3D effects are very very low (the further you go back the more effect). Using 3D on my 46 Samsung TV and about 80cm away from screen and a calculated FOV of 35 and try to put the dashboard an gauges right at the 0 depth screen level (3D) so steering wheel would come out of the screen matching almost my real wheel (so i have steering wheel and driver arms disabled (dont know why people need those)) and ie. nose of the F1 60 cars go into the 3D space (you have to play with convergence settings till that matches) and then you feel like sitting right in the car. Only drawback is that frontwheels ar not complete on the TV. So I am just looking for a 21:9 TV - missed a opportunity last year when they sold the "old" Philips 21:9 under 700 €.
 
taufikp said:
You can play rF2 with 1280x720 resolution, which IMO, its quality is quite good on big screen. The problem with projector is, you need darker room, and maybe more space than multi monitors setup?
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Why would i play 1280*720 when i can play 1280*1024 ? i don't get it.
About the darker room you are right but i don't care as i have a special room for that.
 
There are so many ways that a projector or a series of projectors could be used to make the racing experience more realistic. Having the projection screen just past the wheel and wrapping around down towards the floor for a single projector is nice, but the image being projected over your shoulder and onto your arms could be a little distracting.

Having 3 projectors on the ceiling behind you and projecting onto a wide format screen would allow for more of a wrap around you, but would cost 3 times as much obviously. The upside would be that you could setup for 180 degree image and have most or all of your peripheral vision filled as well.

A single projector behind the screen so it puts up an image that is seen through a semi-transparent screen is an option, though I understand that these tend to look a little washed out due to the way the screen has to be made.

Using triple projectors behind a screen as in the above example would allow for the wrap, and there are folks out there that manufacture screens that are seamless and curved so you could get the wrap that you want. Special lenses are required to have this work out though and add to the total cost of the display.

If you have lots of money, then a hemisphere screen with enough projectors to cover the area you want covered would be even more realistic. The issues would be space as there would have to be room for the projectors that are shooting the images onto the top portions of the screen and from my understanding the minimum length required is about 1.5 meters away from the screen to get a nice sharp image.

All of the multiple projector setups would require that the lenses be able to be adjusted vertically as well as horizontally so that you can align then up perfectly. Software would also be required to be able to split the image onto multiple projectors and still have it look good.
 
Hazi said:
Problem with 3D Vision is that if you sit that close like in that video the 3D effects are very very low (the further you go back the more effect). Using 3D on my 46 Samsung TV and about 80cm away from screen and a calculated FOV of 35 and try to put the dashboard an gauges right at the 0 depth screen level (3D) so steering wheel would come out of the screen matching almost my real wheel (so i have steering wheel and driver arms disabled (dont know why people need those)) and ie. nose of the F1 60 cars go into the 3D space (you have to play with convergence settings till that matches) and then you feel like sitting right in the car. Only drawback is that frontwheels ar not complete on the TV. So I am just looking for a 21:9 TV - missed a opportunity last year when they sold the "old" Philips 21:9 under 700 €.
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Thanks for this info.

I recently upgraded to 3D Vision with a 120Hz monitor and I've been quite disappointed in the 3D (in rFactor 2 and Skyrim) - I always thought the 3D effect was pretty average considering the praise it gets. I do sit very close to the monitor though so that might be why.
 
Reprobator said:
Why would i play 1280*720 when i can play 1280*1024 ? i don't get it.
About the darker room you are right but i don't care as i have a special room for that.
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Weelll... just out of my habit I guess, I like the widescreen (16:9) format better than the old 4:3 format since it gives you more view :D

@Gearjammer, this video below is a 3 projectors setup! :D (fast forward to 5:40)

 
In fact it doesn't give more view, i'll just loose height but won't gain width.
 
ForthRight said:
Thanks for this info.

I recently upgraded to 3D Vision with a 120Hz monitor and I've been quite disappointed in the 3D (in rFactor 2 and Skyrim) - I always thought the 3D effect was pretty average considering the praise it gets. I do sit very close to the monitor though so that might be why.
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Sorry off topic:
No I get great effects with both games and play Skyrim just normal sitting at my Desk on an 22 Samsung 120 HZ. Just follow this blog where you get many tips.
http://helixmod.blogspot.co.at/
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSSeQWGnXpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

here's a vid of my setup 5 months ago. its filmed from the sim driver view. if you get close enough with your racing chair and find the right fov it's very immersive. (at least for me). for the screens it's 3 low budget 23 tft that i bought for 125euro each(LG e2351vr-bn).... if your gfx can handle the resolution youll have a nice solution for under 400euro.
 
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Saw this few weeks ago, never know it might give ideas
They have this 2 projectors setup but also 3, 5 or 6 projectors
http://www.simpit.co.nz

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i have compared the first video with this one side by side and must say the projector setup wins by far.

 
Redpxl said:
Saw this few weeks ago, never know it might give ideas
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pretty nice, easy to do this DIY, just a sheet of plexi, some goopaint, warping software and a 1080p projector.
Cost? I can do it under 1500 euros easily.
 
taufikp said:
You can play rF2 with 1280x720 resolution, which IMO, its quality is quite good on big screen. The problem with projector is, you need darker room, and maybe more space than multi monitors setup?
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Dont know about projector space, but 3 monitors might be hard to set too. I still wasnt able to fit everything well, but I dont have a soultion for holding the 3 together, so I have to use a table.
 
I am using a projector set up in a light and sound proof room. Very realistic. The big issue is that most projectors, actually alomost all, have pretty high lag - 25-80ms is not unusual. That makes is much more difficult to drive, especially on tighter tracks.
 
Personally I couldn't use the projector, I have tried mine a few ways, it's to much, lap times went south. I did the wrap around and my head did explode, you can have to much input.
The best setup I've experienced is my friends 45" 3D TV, just outstanding and it makes 3 screens look very average.
I noted that in COD the rifle would be all the way out of the screen with the end touching the screen, flying games are insane and having the cockpit seemingly wrap around you is amazing.
 
MaxLt said:
I am using a projector set up in a light and sound proof room. Very realistic. The big issue is that most projectors, actually alomost all, have pretty high lag - 25-80ms is not unusual. That makes is much more difficult to drive, especially on tighter tracks.
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Can you share details? Screen, projector, rig?
 
Redpxl said:
Saw this few weeks ago, never know it might give ideas
They have this 2 projectors setup but also 3, 5 or 6 projectors
http://www.simpit.co.nz

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trident%20front.jpg
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Interesting indeed.

What is short throw projectors? And do we need a special software to flip the projected pictures? Do we still need warping software, can't we use just all the video outputs from the video card?
 
You need warping software till laser projectors arrive.
Short throw projectors have special expencive lenses but you can do without with the software (I think)
 
1959nikos said:
Can you share details? Screen, projector, rig?
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Sure - 100" 16x10 DaLite HiPower Screen (very much recommend - works quite well even with some external light) and JVC DLA RS25 projector (do not recommend for gaiming - a bit too laggy). I can match the proportions of the road to the view out of a real car in open-wheelers and in some tin-tops (some are just weird no matter what I do), although the steering wheel looks out of place still (bigger than the real one). The rig is something I got on ebay based on recommendations on this forum, but there is nothing special about it.

I started sim-racing to help me memorize layouts of real tracks, so big screen was essential to make sure the peripheral vision is working at least a bit, or at least it was my theory, so that the memorization of visual experience translate more directly to real track. It worked for me - after practicing Watkins Glen, I was rather quick the first time I was there for real.
 
Hi,

I have run a 1920x1080 projector, 2560 x 1600 monitor and now run 120hz tripple screens. Projectors give a realistic perspective but I prefer the tripples - in my opinion the image quality is better and the aspect ratio provides more peripheral vision, it depends on what is most important to you.
 
there's something i dont understand: if you use a projector with 1920*1080 you dont see more than with a 24'' screen? its just bigger or am i missing something? i choose the tripple setup to get higher horizontal resolution to be able to look into the apex and see my oppenents next to me.( besides the speed feeling you get the side window look)
 
Aspect ratio doesn't mean anything in fact, the more important is :
The size of the picture/projection and your distance to each side of the width of it.
If you stand at 1m from your two setup :

You should have bigger fov with 5 m of screen in 1920*1080 than a 3m 5760*1080 if you want to keep it scaled.
It is true for any aspectratio even 4/3

It is exactly like looking through windows.

my projector setup have a bigger fov than my triple screen setup but has bigger screen space so when you sit in the racing chair you don't have any fov deformation.
 
what fov do you use on your 2 setups? i have difficulties to see how you you can get the horizontal angle with a 3 times lower resolution.
 
You guys with projectors; dont you get severe pixelation sitting so close to a 1080p image? I have 3x27" at the moment and was thinking about trying projection but I'm concerned about image quality with just 1/3 of my current resolution.
 
With 3 projectors that are 1080p and doing some alignment to make sure everything is lined up properly, you get the same look as you would from 3 monitors. The big difference is that with 3 projectors you don't have the bezels in the middle of your display.

As to pixelation of the image, it depends on how large you are making the image. If you use projectors to cast images that are equivalent to 27" monitors, the image should look pretty much identical with good projectors. The advantage of the projector is that you are not limited to that 27" size. If you wish to have 45" size for each, you can do so and the end result will be nearly identical to the same image at 27".
 
I think the title should be "So, Triple Screen, Projector or Head Mounted Device".

Well, currently there is no good and affordable HMD available, but i count on the Oculus Rift Developer Device (and later upgrade the display with a higher resolution one)

I will go this way :)
 
MaxLt said:
I am using a projector set up in a light and sound proof room. Very realistic. The big issue is that most projectors, actually alomost all, have pretty high lag - 25-80ms is not unusual. That makes is much more difficult to drive, especially on tighter tracks.
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Hi,
I wanted to go for a one projector setup similar to the one in the first post. But I didn't think that projector have that much input lag. My TV screen also has a high input lag and when i tried an arcade racing game with keyboard on it, it was undrivable! And thats not what I want to spend such a lot of money for.

So do you have any suggestion which projectors can be recommended? Is there a projector type that is better than others? Any hint would help.

Thanks
 
BenQ W 1100 is highly recommended for gaming, and under 1000 euros.
 
Thank you very much. I had been thinking of the littel cheaper benQ W1060. I found a test of this projector that measured an input lag of only 14,9ms wich seems not too bad. Do you have more detailed information on the lag of the W1100? Could not find informations on the net.
But I found another test ofd the LCD Screen I'm using at the moment. Aparrently it has an Input lag of 15,35 measured in average...
 
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