Real F1 2015 Season - Off Topic Discussion

It looks like they decided to be better sad than sorry, probably we will see much more pilots hospitalized for minor accidents than before Suzuka, this will prompt more SC time during the season. Just another way to avoid to lose a driver.
 
And temporary memory loss, suddenly thinking he was back in his karting days..?
Weird crash indeed...
 
More drama: the 'van der Garde - Sauber' lawsuit is getting both crazy, and interresting at the same time. Clearly Sauber has made a mistake by signing more drivers then they have seats. van der Garde clearly was right, as per the outcome of the lawsuit both in Switzerland and Australia, and Sutil also has a contract (although we haven't heard from him anymore recently).

I'm really curious what is going to happen know. If they let van der Garde in, then either Nasr or Ericson will probably go to court as well because of contract breach..... I really don't see how Sauber is going to solve it.

The Sauber statements recently however, I find VERY amusing. They claim that if they let van der Garde race, then it is potentially dangerous (risk of injury or death)??? Really??? Well, I thought racing was allways dangerous to begin with, so no matter who they would put in the car is potentially dangerous..... Also, their claim is especially funny: They don't want to put a driver in the car that hasn't tested the car before..... That is exactly what they did in Abu Dhabi last year when they put Adderly Fong in a seat in FP1 (he had only done SOME mileage in the old car), and with van der Garde himself when he was put in the seat of FP1 in Bahrain before doing mileage in that car.

I had allways respected Sauber in the past, but now they really made a mess of it.....
 
Oh dear, that Sauber/van der garde story is totally cracking me up! ;)

I seriously hope that they'll have to let him drive in Melbourne. Talk about awkwardness FTW. ;)
 
Well they arent in an easy situation since they are financed by drivers sponsors :-D
 
Lol the plot thickens... Sauber's appeal has been dismissed!
It's contract breaching time - or maybe time to consider something along the lines of:
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:p
 
Well, and a new lawsuit has started!!! van der Garde's side has started one against Sauber AND Kaltenborn. If van der Garde doesn't get his seat (and Sauber first have to make his seat, and apperently request his Superlicence with the FIA), then the Equipment of Sauber will be taken (don't know proper word :p ), if the judge agrees in the hearing just before FP1. The van der Garde side does this as a precaution. So basicly, either Sauber let van der Garde race, or they very likely won't be racing at all.
 
I don't think this whole situation does VDG 's career much good. if he gets his way his team ,you would imagine, are not going to be that much behind him, especially not bringing in the $$ and most likely wasting a lot of time and effort to get up to speed in a car he hasn't driven yet. if he doesn't get the drive I don't think any other team would touch him with a barge pole. all very Ugly.. better off getting a massive payout and driving another class.Or if he gets the big payout taking hs money next season to a team looking for a self funded driver
 
bwana said:
I don't think this whole situation does VDG 's career much good.
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If he would just let Sauber do their thing, then his F1 career is pretyy likely over as well, not really much to lose
bwana said:
if he gets his way his team ,you would imagine, are not going to be that much behind him, especially not bringing in the $$ and most likely wasting a lot of time and effort to get up to speed in a car he hasn't driven yet.
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I don't know if the team itself also has an isue with VDG but maybe time will tell. However, it wouldn't do Sauber themselves any good to ruin VDG's chances either, because that would likely cost them points (unless they have build such a bad car as last year that can't score points), which will lose them money as well
bwana said:
if he doesn't get the drive I don't think any other team would touch him with a barge pole. all very Ugly.. better off getting a massive payout and driving another class.Or if he gets the big payout taking hs money next season to a team looking for a self funded driver
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Like I said, I don't really think other F1 teams are wanting him anyway. And if this will hurt his reputation? Well, posibly, but then again, VDG doesn't do anything wrong, he is just complying to the contract, so as long as other teams (either in F1 or elsewhere) don't break contract, then nothing will happen. Besides, with VDG going to court, and winning there, I think other teams are going to think twice about breaking any contract with anyone anyway, because if another drivers contract gets breached, I think he is far more likely to go to court as well, following the 'success' of VDG there ;)
 
Manor will race in Melbourne and Australian court has decided that van der Garde must drive for Sauber in that race, yet Saubers driver lineup still remains without him.

I wonder what would that race look like.
"Guys cars got no power, tyres are off i need to come in"
"Nah dont bother, the power thing.. yee... we kinda switched the ERS off so we save it and .. u know.. the tyres didnt arrive today"
 
It's an extremely bizarre situation I must say.
But I feel for him, and I think he should just fight to the bitter end. Nothing much to lose at this point.
Absurd of Sauber to say that his being in the car is a major safety concern... lol what a compliment. ;)

Generally, it's just a pretty bizarre build up to the season opener, also with the McLaren situation, and Manor showing up out of nowhere.
But man am I glad at least one of the small teams managed to survive. It's heart breaking that we've lost Caterham. Gonna miss those beautiful green machines.
 
Posted by Will Buxton, from Melbourne, 2 mins. ago on Twitter:
Van der Garde emerges from Sauber garage wearing Ericsson's number 9 overalls.
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MikeeCZ said:
I wonder what would that race look like.
"Guys cars got no power, tyres are off i need to come in"
"Nah dont bother, the power thing.. yee... we kinda switched the ERS off so we save it and .. u know.. the tyres didnt arrive today"
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There has been such a situation before I remembered today (although the situation was reversed). A so called Jenson Button had a multi-year contract with BAR, and signed with Williams before the contract ended. In the end Button was forced to stay at BAR. While you might think he might have been unmotivated, I believe it turned out to be (one of) his best year(s) to that point. And to make the story complete, Button, when forced to run with BAR then signed a contract with Williams for the year after that, only to come to the conclusion that he would rather stay at BAR then going to Williams :p I believe though, that Williams were so kind to allow Button to stay at BAR ;)

My point being, that being forced to stay together, doesn't turn out bad every time :) We will (possible) see about this time though
 
VDG has no super license. Erickson in the car as l type. Lights for p1 are green. Go go go
 
(British) Sky Sports: Kaltenborn went into the garage, talked with mechanics, and now there is no-one working on the cars?!? Probably no running in FP1, Ericson and Nasr sitting in the cars (without wheels etc.)

EDIT :: and via via, via twitter this message (apperently from adam cooper):
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I wonder what they promised him before he signed the contract. For him or any driver its a path which leads to potential career gains, i'm pretty sure he signed up knowing it would [insert]
Wont be surprised, by the way the team is handling things, that they have been dragging things on with him for too long and now he's fed up with it. he's smart enough to know how it can negatively influence his career so there must be a solid reason to take such a path. doubt its just about that one race in 2015.

Also the Dutch are pretty anal about agreements, if you make one, better stick to it :)
 
VDG has withdrawn court action over driving this weekend. He and his management plane to try and reach an amicable solution at a later stage.
 
Don't be surprised to see a wet Qual this afternoon at Albert Park. Clouds build and looking threatening over head hear . 60 mile Southwest of the track... Could be some surprises.
 
VDG doesnt really want to win this because by the looks of it that would bring Sauber down, and no driver in the world wasnt to have a reputation of "Sign a contract with me and if you screw me over i will f*** you up"... Drivers say things they dont think, smile on cameras, attempt on events they dont want to be at, sell their face for advertisment, all thigns they dont want to do. Simply they do as they are told by their employer. And VDG seems to want bring his employer down, meaning noone will want to employ him. But i do understand that he doesnt want to just give his seat up, but, he will have to if he wants to have a future... thats what i think

Big Congrats to Lotus on todays Qualy, thats the biggets suprise for me :) Big well done to Felipe Massa too, but Mercedez is shocking fast, faster than others by much bigger margin than last year, its like they have a car from a differend class. Wow very impressing
 
I just love that Lotus are back in the game again!
I really hope for the best for Grosjean in the race.

Shocking to see McLaren so far off the pace...
 
An interesting but somewhat bizarre start to the season.

Lewis made an awesome performance once again. Rosberg will have his work cut out for him again this year.
Some really good battles lower down in the field. Button versus Perez was entertaining, Perez losing his cool and ramming Jenson. ;)

I'm absolutely stoked for Felipe Nasr, such a well deserved result for him in his first GP.
He was my favorite driver in GP2 there last few years, so seeing him succeed like this is a joy.

I do hope things will revert back to "normal" though, in Malaysia.
We need to see a full field of competitive cars again.
Painful to watch McLaren fail so badly, and Manor not even being able to turn a single lap...
 
McLaren is to be expected, but they will come back and strong, ull see but it will take alteast half a season i reckon, maybe more
 
VDG came down to mutual settlement of ending his contract, getting payout totaling up at 10.8m pounds. I dunno what would they give him as a wage but it defo wouldnt be this much, i reckon like a 1m or so. And he says he got a lot of symphaty aproaches from various drivers and other team managers when he was in the paddock. So he might still have a chance in F1 after all
 
[NAR]Steve said:
Hockenheim will not happen this year. Saw something about it on BBC Sport. http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/31930827
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Well that's a real bummer. One of my favorite European venues.
Down to 19 races again, then. :(

MikeeCZ said:
VDG came down to mutual settlement of ending his contract, getting payout totaling up at 10.8m pounds. I dunno what would they give him as a wage but it defo wouldnt be this much, i reckon like a 1m or so. And he says he got a lot of symphaty aproaches from various drivers and other team managers when he was in the paddock. So he might still have a chance in F1 after all
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I hope he does. He's a real stand up guy, and I think he deserves to be in F1.
He was stunning to watch in GP2 imo. He doesn't deserve to have his career so early.
 
I think its great to see Mercedes smash the opposition... for a team with so much history in motor racing and to only win there 1st F1 constructors title last year they deserve to shine for a few seasons
 
Agreed, plus it will benefit the road mercs over competition, so about time that mercs kick butts to those pityfull audis and bmws :pP
 
DurgeDriven said:
They should call it a " mercedes swat-fest " not a motor race.

loool p



Sheesh, even Schumi had more competition then that.


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That's not true!!! Schumacher had a teammate that wasn't allowed to race him, but one that had to help him when possible (austria anyone??? Barrichello slowing down from a BIG lead, only to give schumi the win on the last straight). He has been champion once in magny-cours, which was what, 2/3 of the championship??? (I think 7 races before the season end or something). Mercedes don't have to much competition from other teams, but at least there is a battle in the team itself ;)
 
Can anyone explain why they have such an advantage?
Sure, they prolly build a cracking car but I assume within the rules. so why are the smart peeps in other teams (or even those with just big budgets) trailing behind so much?

Is it a case of super-smart engineering and having all the million components worked out perfectly? (and others not trying hard enough lol)
Or is there something going on along the lines of the double diffuser we had a while ago? some tricky stuff they 'discovered' and others didn't?
 
I can't wait to see Rosberg and Hamilton duke it out for the next 18 races.
Absolutely epic intra team battle, will go down in history for sure. :)
 
Denstjiro said:
Can anyone explain why they have such an advantage?
Sure, they prolly build a cracking car but I assume within the rules. so why are the smart peeps in other teams (or even those with just big budgets) trailing behind so much?

Is it a case of super-smart engineering and having all the million components worked out perfectly? (and others not trying hard enough lol)
Or is there something going on along the lines of the double diffuser we had a while ago? some tricky stuff they 'discovered' and others didn't?
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afaik theres nothing tricky suspected. just massively complex systems where a lot can go wrong & they were the team that nailed it (aside from some reliability issues everyone had) first time. look how abysmal honda is on their first swing even after having been able to learn from last season...so this year they were able to linearly progress while everyone else (maybe williams aside) probably overhauled everything to try to get to where they were last year...ferrari seems to have really made a lot of progress & maybe theyll compete as soon as next year now. hope so anyway.
 
hexagramme said:
I can't wait to see Rosberg and Hamilton duke it out for the next 18 races.
Absolutely epic intra team battle, will go down in history for sure. :)
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i hope so but hamilton just seems faster...seemed so last year then really dominated when it mattered in australia. feel like he'll have to have techinical issues compounded by some bad luck on his risk-taking to make it close (ie last year, before he got things sorted then he blew the doors off nico)
 
Well, last year they came up with the separated turbine and compressor in between which they placed MGU-K, that brought soo many advantages with cooling and therefore aerodynamical advantage, also weight distribution and lot more room to play with with gearbox where they could exclude a lot of mountings from the gearbox itself so those could be replaced without violating the rule about gearbox changes, other teams kept mounting directly into gearbox structure, if you need to replace those its counted as gearbox component. So there are advantages over advantages all escalated from one briliant idea of separating the turbo.
So, i think they came up with another idea like this again, and we might get to know what it is within half a season or so, because last year it also took like 5 races for people to notice the turbo thing. (which only happened thanks to fanatics always trying to peek into garages when the hood is off, the garages are usually closed when hoods are off and u need to catch liek a 5 second window when somebody needs to walk out or so, so there are people pointing their cameras on closed garages waiting for theirs 5 seconds
 
yusupov said:
i hope so but hamilton just seems faster...seemed so last year then really dominated when it mattered in australia. feel like he'll have to have techinical issues compounded by some bad luck on his risk-taking to make it close (ie last year, before he got things sorted then he blew the doors off nico)
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It think it'll be ebb and flow just like last year, only way more intense.
Hamilton is faster, just by a fraction I think, but he's not faster on every circuit.
So when Nico gets the upper hand, maybe Lewis has some technical issues, a suddenly he's on the back foot, chasing.
He sure has his ups and downs. But Nico won't have it easy this year, that's for sure. I am sure though that he's hungry!
 
Well majority of Lewises problems last year was reliability and Nicos "mistakes", and Mercs say they mainly worked on reliability for this year, altho they are gaining more than two seconds a lap compared to their last year, a margin that only Sauber and Lotus has higher and Williams only neck a neck
 
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