DrR1pper
... Ahmen.
... Ahmen.
Max Attack
pcars has probably been up dated several times. You should have another look.I have tried and I wasn't surprised. Old good GTR have better FFB and physics than CARS.
Hey, but who cares which is the best...NFS, Test Drive, GT5, Forza, pCARS...Enjoy them all !
B1K3R
Satan does not exists : )-
Max Attack
I do now. was he calling me hitler in the other thread?I guess you don't know who FONismo is?
I own pCars as well. I was almost immediately discouraged from playing it the moment I bought it as it felt "wrong" to me. I persisted for a few weeks before I stopped altogether a few months ago.
rF2 is not as visually stunning off the bat, but the moment I leave the pits in any car I am completely immersed and it's as if I don't even notice the graphics. That I know is something that lasts a hell of a lot longer than graphics. FYI, I'm a borderline graphics whore.
FONismo
Oh but he does and he has an agenda
Not sure about that, i have never seen your name and can't remember ever arguing or calling anybody Hitler.
feels3
Forza also have some updates. Check it out.
BTW, this thread should be called:
Rfactor 2 vs Iracing vs AC vs Netkarpro vs GTR series - a newbs perspective
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Max Attack
Forza? Is that on pc?Forza also have some updates. Check it out.
BTW, this thread should be called:
Rfactor 2 vs Iracing vs AC vs Netkarpro vs GTR series - a newbs perspective
B1K3R
BTW, this thread should be called:
Rfactor 2 vs Iracing vs AC vs Netkarpro vs GTR series - a newbs perspective
Wish LFS "2" was in the list too
FONismo
You forgot GSC2012, the Camaro alone makes that purchase worth it. Amazing physics. OP should check out GSC. I really want an old classic car for rF2 that can be thrown sideways like the CamaroForza also have some updates. Check it out.
BTW, this thread should be called:
Rfactor 2 vs Iracing vs AC vs Netkarpro vs GTR series - a newbs perspective
Max Attack
ok.
feels3
Yes, I forgot
I have tried 60 min trial few days ago and you're right. Amazing physics ps. yes, LFS should be added to list too ;-)
F2Chump
It is better in b272, but it's not remotely a sim.
It's a very good{some cars} simcade racer, but it's yet to equal the physics and FFB of GTR2 from 2006 IMO, and GTR2 vanilla has been surpassed by GTR Evo/RACEON/FVA/rf2/GSC 2011/12/netkar.
Max Attack
Do you use the same name @ WMD?
BazzaLB
I personally think it depends on what cars you drive. In pCars, i find the lotus 49 and caterham superlight 500 to be brilliant to drive and very lively (with adjusted ffb tweak using INI). The tin tops on the other hand in pCars feel dead and drive like they are on rails.
The ffb in rf2 beta seemed great (started with build 101) without any tickering with my G25. pCars could really do with some low powered cars like the Clio to be honest. As has already been stated, the A.I in pCars is pretty poor in my book.
Don't forget, the SMS crew developed the original GTR and GTR2 and Doug Arnao was involved with GPL development, so some of them know a thing or 2 about simulation development and now they are doing independant development without publisher constraints, it may prove a few of you wrong (lets hope so).
I am about to give GSC 2012 a go too as the camaro looks great.
The ffb in rf2 beta seemed great (started with build 101) without any tickering with my G25. pCars could really do with some low powered cars like the Clio to be honest. As has already been stated, the A.I in pCars is pretty poor in my book.
Don't forget, the SMS crew developed the original GTR and GTR2 and Doug Arnao was involved with GPL development, so some of them know a thing or 2 about simulation development and now they are doing independant development without publisher constraints, it may prove a few of you wrong (lets hope so).
I am about to give GSC 2012 a go too as the camaro looks great.
Max Attack
OK, So what name did you use to register over at WMD?
1959nikos
I think the big Problem with pCARS is, that it is also developed for PS3 and Xbox360. Those Consoles just can't compete with up-to-date PCs, especially when it comes down to non-graphical evaluation (i.e. Physics simulation). So i think, they will never be able to implement a very good physics-simulation, as long as they develop it for the consoles.
The other thing with pCARS is: for me, it feels very bad in FFB and unrealistic physics-wise...i know, i know, you'll say it's because it is in alpha stage. BUT: there are just few people on the forum complaining about this. this fact, and the fact, that there has been hardly any progress on physics simulation over many updates leads me to the conclusion, that the physics are not really important to them. As you can see, they were able to sell all those memberships with just the graphics. Maybe that's their business-model. But who am i to know
on the OP: iRacing is no option for me, because of the price. But i have lost hope for pCARS, so my bet is on RF2, or maybe Assetto Corsa.
My question didnt try to pass judgment in any way, just curious for more detailed answer, thats all, thanks.
Max Attack
what name did you use over at WMD
feels3
Fully agree.
Max Attack
How about you Feels3? i don't see you name in the list.
feels3
I'm not registered as feels3.
1959nikos
feels3
It's not me! Seriously
1959nikos
Ok, you got me, I give up, pass me the handcuffs officer
REDRUM
PCARS development is all eye candy, for a supposed 'simulator' they sure are ignoring one of the most important factors... the vehicle physics and dynamics!
Whilst sometimes through the rfactor 2 dev it seems that the content is lacking, its overall a much more enjoyable sim and I would rather do 200 laps in a F3 or Clio than drive 200 laps between 20 different cars that all handle like ****
Whilst sometimes through the rfactor 2 dev it seems that the content is lacking, its overall a much more enjoyable sim and I would rather do 200 laps in a F3 or Clio than drive 200 laps between 20 different cars that all handle like ****
JJStrack
what is that thing of you with the names?? do you not believe us, that we tried pCARS?
B1K3R
What about GTR 3? I have not heard anything yet except the sound teaser and some screen shots.
I know that at one point they requested beta testers so I am sure that some know how it's going and what it feels like up to now...
Is it still all a secret? I'm dying to know if it will be another good sim or not....
I know that at one point they requested beta testers so I am sure that some know how it's going and what it feels like up to now...
Is it still all a secret? I'm dying to know if it will be another good sim or not....
Tuttle
Just a curiosity about pCARS...what happens to Ben Collins?
feels3
He was fired because he wrote on WMD forum that he prefers rf2 (JOKE)
(JOKE)Max Attack
I know that. You could say what name you use. People won't doubt you that way.
Max Attack
No I don't.
Tuttle
Max Attack
Not me, I have pcars and rf2.
K Szczech
How much do you have left?iRacing, pCARS & rFactor2............
privatebrian
You cannot not compare any of these sims, they are all at different levels of development.
Magus
In their current states, for me, it's a bit like comparing ARMA2 with COD within a different genre when comparing rf2 & pCARS.
I have difficulty accepting that pCARS's FFB is comparable in its current state to RF2's, regardless of what FFBTweaker files you use. I use G25 with both games & the difference between their FFB at vanilla is night & day for me & just get an extra weighty feeling with the file combos recommended for pCARS.
My major gripe with pCARS is that I never feel connected to the road & when I race it feels flat in comparison to rf2.
Also, I can jump in the Caterham 300 & go around Nords (this weeks event) driving a pretty atrocious line & the car refuses to spin out, so many times I think 'oh here she goes' & still the cars firmly planted & happily racing along.
I know a new physics & tire model are due. I've been following AJ's physics thread on WMD plus other threads about pCARS being an arcade racer, real racer, simcade or simulation. The contradictions I hear are quite amusing, from; it's narrow minded to label it, it's 'sim-elitist' who refuse it's a sim, it's arcade, it's simcade...
Who cares what it is or turns out to be, as long as it is not falsely advertised & the end product is excellent within the category it aimed for.
Of concern is when members/users defend the games physics & FFB (I wish I could find the post I'm referring to here but would take far too much searching WMD & really can't be bothered) defending it's 'sim' qualities & within the same paragraph states that within 5 laps they can determine how much they can push the car around the track...
I know the argument that if it's hard it doesn't make it a sim but 5 laps to learn to push a car to its limits around a new track??
I'm a pretty average racer but I've spent the last 2 nights in the trainer at Croft learning how that car can be pushed at various points in the session. I kid you not, I have more or less clocked over 80 laps from Friday night (incl. O, Q & R) & if I lose 1-3 seconds concentration I can grantee you that I will be spinning round the next corner or the one after.
With pCARS Rookie I can go round quite 'smoothly' (for me the rookie is one of the better vehicles in the game with better FFB). Within that 5 lap timer he/she states I can find its limits on a new track, for me this is GT5 territory (I've not played Forza) of simulating 'real' driving. Quick learning curve, then fun & forgiving thereafter.
I'm not saying rf2 isn't fun, it is to the right audience but I don't think it is forgiving. You need patience, dedication & concentration in greater abundance than with pCARS to get along in rf2, hence why my comparison with COD & ARMA2. One is a lot more polished, faster, fun pick up & play (yes still requires effort to master), the other requiring more focus, discipline & training to just get the basics.
Generally speaking, instant gratification vs delayed/long term gratification.
I do think that rf2 sits comfortably at the delayed gratification of 'gaming pleasure' however at the moment pCARS seems a little 'bipolar', it's certain it doesn't want to be in the 'instant gratification' territory but also knows that a large portion of the console market are all about instant gratifications (or around that spectrum) especially its younger audience & at the moment it's delicately trying to figure out how to position itself to cater for a larger audience than its traditionally been entitled to.
I for one am very interested how it turns out, I would love it to have the option to allow for 'delayed gratification' depending on my time, patience & effort with a car & track where the physics, tire & FFB all feel connected.
At things currently stand, rf2 ticks more boxes for me than pCRAS but I am also very much looking forward to AC.
Last night I was tempted with GSC 2012 after reading so much enthusiasm about the title but watched some you tube videos instead, then jumped back into rf2 I may purchase it one impulsive (read drunken) night but think once I hear rave reviews about the Mini's then it will be downloading pretty sharpish.
Anyway that my tuppence worth.
I have difficulty accepting that pCARS's FFB is comparable in its current state to RF2's, regardless of what FFBTweaker files you use. I use G25 with both games & the difference between their FFB at vanilla is night & day for me & just get an extra weighty feeling with the file combos recommended for pCARS.
My major gripe with pCARS is that I never feel connected to the road & when I race it feels flat in comparison to rf2.
Also, I can jump in the Caterham 300 & go around Nords (this weeks event) driving a pretty atrocious line & the car refuses to spin out, so many times I think 'oh here she goes' & still the cars firmly planted & happily racing along.
I know a new physics & tire model are due. I've been following AJ's physics thread on WMD plus other threads about pCARS being an arcade racer, real racer, simcade or simulation. The contradictions I hear are quite amusing, from; it's narrow minded to label it, it's 'sim-elitist' who refuse it's a sim, it's arcade, it's simcade...
Who cares what it is or turns out to be, as long as it is not falsely advertised & the end product is excellent within the category it aimed for.
Of concern is when members/users defend the games physics & FFB (I wish I could find the post I'm referring to here but would take far too much searching WMD & really can't be bothered) defending it's 'sim' qualities & within the same paragraph states that within 5 laps they can determine how much they can push the car around the track...
I know the argument that if it's hard it doesn't make it a sim but 5 laps to learn to push a car to its limits around a new track??
I'm a pretty average racer but I've spent the last 2 nights in the trainer at Croft learning how that car can be pushed at various points in the session. I kid you not, I have more or less clocked over 80 laps from Friday night (incl. O, Q & R) & if I lose 1-3 seconds concentration I can grantee you that I will be spinning round the next corner or the one after.
With pCARS Rookie I can go round quite 'smoothly' (for me the rookie is one of the better vehicles in the game with better FFB). Within that 5 lap timer he/she states I can find its limits on a new track, for me this is GT5 territory (I've not played Forza) of simulating 'real' driving. Quick learning curve, then fun & forgiving thereafter.
I'm not saying rf2 isn't fun, it is to the right audience but I don't think it is forgiving. You need patience, dedication & concentration in greater abundance than with pCARS to get along in rf2, hence why my comparison with COD & ARMA2. One is a lot more polished, faster, fun pick up & play (yes still requires effort to master), the other requiring more focus, discipline & training to just get the basics.
Generally speaking, instant gratification vs delayed/long term gratification.
I do think that rf2 sits comfortably at the delayed gratification of 'gaming pleasure' however at the moment pCARS seems a little 'bipolar', it's certain it doesn't want to be in the 'instant gratification' territory but also knows that a large portion of the console market are all about instant gratifications (or around that spectrum) especially its younger audience & at the moment it's delicately trying to figure out how to position itself to cater for a larger audience than its traditionally been entitled to.
I for one am very interested how it turns out, I would love it to have the option to allow for 'delayed gratification' depending on my time, patience & effort with a car & track where the physics, tire & FFB all feel connected.
At things currently stand, rf2 ticks more boxes for me than pCRAS but I am also very much looking forward to AC.
Last night I was tempted with GSC 2012 after reading so much enthusiasm about the title but watched some you tube videos instead, then jumped back into rf2
I may purchase it one impulsive (read drunken) night but think once I hear rave reviews about the Mini's then it will be downloading pretty sharpish. Anyway that my tuppence worth.
Tuttle
I've pCARS as well and like many other guys I was in love when they started with the project...but now they're on a different business with a different target than a pure simulator. I don't blame SMS for this choice...not at all. It's not easy to offer tons of licensed contents like pCARS (especially at this speed) without moving on a more commercial target, like GT5 or Forza.
They set the standard in quality of models and shaders and I admire how SMS artists are working...but I can't play the game. Just don't like how it feels. I don't think I've to waste my time to explain you why....or get you proofs I've the game. Cmon...
So what's the point here? How did you convince someone to change their feelings about the game? Another infinite discussion about pCARS vs rF2? It's like comparing ananas with bananas...
no thanks...
Robert Gödicke
I also have pCARS, team member status. And my honest opinion is, I lost interest almost completely.
Input became better, less inputlag, more accurate steering, this stupid "shaking steering wheel effect even though your real steering wheel was firmly in your hands" is gone too (which was an annoying leftover from the Shift series I guess). But overall physics seem strange and FFB is simply lacking. That's my opinion.
They are making progress though. But right now pCARS cannot compete against iRacing, NetKar Pro and rFactor 2 (haven't tried GSC though, but heard a lot of good things so far). To be honest even rFactor 1 still feels more believable while driving.
Nevertheless sometimes when I got some spare time I download the latest build to test again. Still hoping they can improve what they have, but I don't think they will be able to match rFactor 2's physics, same thing is with the graphics department vice versa.
And for me: Stable netcode > Physics/FFB > Features like driver swap, day/night cycle, weather > Sound > Graphics.
A personal priority list like this lets us choose the title we prefer the most. For me, it's obvious which one to choose if I look at this list.
And yes Max, I'm registered with my real name.
But the best thing is that we actually have enough titles out there (or will pretty soon) to pick our favorite from. A couple of years ago we had almost no choice, think about the Grand Prix days for example. Crammond or nothing.
Input became better, less inputlag, more accurate steering, this stupid "shaking steering wheel effect even though your real steering wheel was firmly in your hands" is gone too (which was an annoying leftover from the Shift series I guess). But overall physics seem strange and FFB is simply lacking. That's my opinion.
They are making progress though. But right now pCARS cannot compete against iRacing, NetKar Pro and rFactor 2 (haven't tried GSC though, but heard a lot of good things so far). To be honest even rFactor 1 still feels more believable while driving.
Nevertheless sometimes when I got some spare time I download the latest build to test again. Still hoping they can improve what they have, but I don't think they will be able to match rFactor 2's physics, same thing is with the graphics department vice versa.
And for me: Stable netcode > Physics/FFB > Features like driver swap, day/night cycle, weather > Sound > Graphics.
A personal priority list like this lets us choose the title we prefer the most. For me, it's obvious which one to choose if I look at this list.
And yes Max, I'm registered with my real name.
But the best thing is that we actually have enough titles out there (or will pretty soon) to pick our favorite from. A couple of years ago we had almost no choice, think about the Grand Prix days for example. Crammond or nothing.
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FONismo
LOLI It's like comparing ananas with bananas...
buddhatree
@Max
So you think that anyone who doesn't like pCARS hasn't even tried it? lol
My name on WMD is gears. I've been a member since day one. It will be one year in October. I drive every weekly build.
My opinion: It's nowhere near a sim. But, it was never supposed to be. It's a console arcade racer. As Ian Bell said, it will be "a more realistic GT5/Forza for the masses".
Once you get over the eye candy, you'll see there's really nothing underneath. FFB and physics are just placeholders. It's just a screenshot game.