Rfactor 2 vs Iracing vs CARS- a newbs perspective

1959nikos said:
Its already happening, good times are here :)
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Agreed! Dumb question, though. Is there a difference in modding for rf2 and Asetto Corsa? What I mean is that rf1 had so much magic b/c modders and also had better online vs NKP and also had AI, etc. but won't modders be doing stuff for AC now too and if so then will it be rf2 superior dynamics and tire model vs. AC superior base physics, feel and graphics?
 
Kknorpp001 said:
Agreed! Dumb question, though. Is there a difference in modding for rf2 and Asetto Corsa? What I mean is that rf1 had so much magic b/c modders and also had better online vs NKP and also had AI, etc. but won't modders be doing stuff for AC now too and if so then will it be rf2 superior dynamics and tire model vs. AC superior base physics, feel and graphics?
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But we don't know that, I mean anyone can read stuff from their website, but nobody has AC yet and nobody knows how modding really will work with it, there was not much modding with Netkar Pro, there was some tracks made to it, I guess there was track editor for it, but really don't know anything more about it. Also with AC being started from scratch mostly, nobody really knows yet, so it will be really interesting how things go, it also should give bit pressure for ISI to make modders choose ISI product, I believe that good documentation would be a key to that, maybe get much more people to modding that way too, but I'm sure some will go to AC also, it offers probably something rF2 does not, but also rF2 will probably have some AC has not.

Also there is not knowing physics yet, I just saw Gamescon video from AC where AI cars were competing, something funny how cars did move, but also I must say that what I saw was something rF2 is perhaps not able to do yet, no pressure, but ISI you need to improve AI more to be in competition ;)

I will have something like 7 sims soon, I thought that I pass pCars and iRacing, first because what I have read about it's handling, 2nd because of pricing and because I don't do online racing.

Oh and 8th sim Game Stock car I would need to get too, then I forgot about GPL and GTL, also GTR, but I think last one is not installed now, then many that attempt to be sims but are not like truck simulators, haven't found real sim from those yet, not after Hard Trucking 2.

It was before rFactor that there were not much of sims for my liking and that is not very long ago, now we have so many that buying one title or two per year means one has to start choosing and no longer getting them all, well maybe I for sale with some of coming titles.
 
I will definitely be buying A C when it comes out, have been trying iRacing ( got the 6 month free deal from Caddilac ) The FFB in iRacing just doesn't do anything for me. It looks nice ( not great ) but the driving just does nothing for me. Still enjoying RF1, and can't wait for RF2 to go gold.
 
Im Late my Internet just got turned back on..
Anyways- Very good Thread from a New Racer!
1st CARS is Not a Sim!
2nd- RF2 is Still at the forefront of design!
and lastly there is one more up and coming Sim you did not mention and I will not either but Im sure you can figure it out!
FYI- No other "Sim" Moves unless ISI releases new content :)
 
SLuisHamilton said:
people are forgetting Asseto Corsa.
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I was not forgetting AC. I have nothing to say about it because I haven't played it, compared to those three other titles which I have played all of them. I know AC will be moddable, and you never know, if it offers better features than rF2 and it's modding procedure is to my liking, I might want to fiddle with it. I believe it has pretty strong physics department and working graphics engine. Time will till how it turns out.
 
olivier prenten said:
What's pCARS? LOL! Just kidding you! ;)
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DrR1pper said:
painfully-Crap Arcadish Race Simulator. :)
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I thought of giving it a go again yesterday and got the latest update....

After 15 minutes of trying different cars, I was disgusted (awful physics feeling!) and left disappointed...

then I said, OK OK, let me try iRacing again. I spent maybe 30 mins this time, but the cars were not behaving very realistically, was not bad....but got bored!....

Soooo, then I went back on rF2 racing with the Clio's.......and my wife had to come for me at midnight...."Are you coming to bed!!??"....otherwise I would have stayed all night! At least it was from strawberries to chocolate : )-

Cheers
 
F2Chump said:
I own a boxed copy of GTR, but it didn't want to run on my W7 box, as for GTL, I have them as a mod, and whilst ok, are inferior to the best cars in later Simbin products like Evo/Raceon.
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Same here and yes I do agree.
 
[NAR]Steve said:
I will definitely be buying A C when it comes out, have been trying iRacing ( got the 6 month free deal from Caddilac ) The FFB in iRacing just doesn't do anything for me. It looks nice ( not great ) but the driving just does nothing for me. Still enjoying RF1, and can't wait for RF2 to go gold.
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I agree with this. I do some iRacing, and the multiplayer element is great, but the physics just arent there. The oval racing is "ok" physics wise but the road course element is terrible. AC is something i'll pick up anyway, but it looks like a trackday sim. RF2, even in its current mess of a state, is by far the best driving wise. Every car we have so far feels right, with perhaps a small tweak or two required to make them perfect.
 
B1K3R said:
Did you try "painfully-Crap Arcadish Race Simulator" mate?
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If it's like that I'll probably pass! :D For me it's mainly about physics so this really doesn't look very tempting. Even iRacing felt "too arcade" so I'd probably be pretty disappointed with pCARS. Hmm, but still would want to see the grapics so maybe I'll give it a go after all...

P.S. It all depends whether woman's attractivity beats the earth's gravity. And now that we also have the third (r)factor(2) deciding when to go to bed has become a very complicated task! :)
 
KeiKei said:
If it's like that I'll probably pass! :D For me it's mainly about physics so this really doesn't look very tempting. Even iRacing felt "too arcade" so I'd probably be pretty disappointed with pCARS. Hmm, but still would want to see the grapics so maybe I'll give it a go after all...

P.S. It all depends whether woman's attractivity beats the earth's gravity. And now that we also have the third (r)factor(2) deciding when to go to bed has become a very complicated task! :)
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Yes, driving rF2 world woman with attractive elements at passenger seat kind of dream might have certain complications that require certain preparation.
 
Strawberries topped with melting chocolate is an offer I cant reffuse...
 
Well, I don't know about you guys, but a woman never has to ask me twice to come to bed ;)
 
Gearjammer said:
Well, I don't know about you guys, but a woman never has to ask me twice to come to bed ;)
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Younglings :rolleyes:

I wonder if OP needs to decide right now as there is so much to come for rF2 also and lot more other sims too, I would think that now would be time to wait 6 months before decisions?
 
feels3 said:
It's hard to judge from video but it looks promising :)

EDIT: sorry, double posts
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Yeah it's weird. First watch i was oggling at the BMW drifting and the replay fidelity which is just stunning. 2nd watch i don't know, i just got a SHIFT/pCARS feel to the cockpit behaviour and it left me baffled. Now we all know what Kunos are capable of in terms of physics and FFB and so i am gonna presume it feels just amazing but must say i was a little surprised at how some of the cars seemed to react. Kunos have a good history with physics, SMS do not so it doesn't worry me really with AC, pCARS would be a big concern. Perhaps this is what Wix meant by fun was the way the cars move around

One good thing that makes me feel comfortable with how it feels and it wont feel like SHIFT/pCARS is the fact that the Bsimracing owner Wix said it met all his expectations and felt great. He also said the other day that he can race pCARS for no longer than 5 minutes before turning it off although it looks excellent in his opinion. These statements together give me confidence it feels good.
 
FONismo said:
Yeah it's weird. First watch i was oggling at the BMW drifting and the replay fidelity which is just stunning. 2nd watch i don't know, i just got a SHIFT/pCARS feel to the cockpit behaviour and it left me baffled. Now we all know what Kunos are capable of in terms of physics and FFB and so i am gonna presume it feels just amazing but must say i was a little surprised at how some of the cars seemed to react. Kunos have a good history with physics, SMS do not so it doesn't worry me really with AC, pCARS would be a big concern. Perhaps this is what Wix meant by fun was the way the cars move around

One good thing that makes me feel comfortable with how it feels and it wont feel like SHIFT/pCARS is the fact that the Bsimracing owner Wix said it met all his expectations and felt great. He also said the other day that he can race pCARS for no longer than 5 minutes before turning it off although it looks excellent in his opinion. These statements together give me confidence it feels good.
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I hope everything is going into right direction with AC because rf2 needs some competitor. It always helps.
 
FONismo said:
Yeah it's weird. First watch i was oggling at the BMW drifting and the replay fidelity which is just stunning. 2nd watch i don't know, i just got a SHIFT/pCARS feel to the cockpit behaviour and it left me baffled. Now we all know what Kunos are capable of in terms of physics and FFB and so i am gonna presume it feels just amazing but must say i was a little surprised at how some of the cars seemed to react. Kunos have a good history with physics, SMS do not so it doesn't worry me really with AC, pCARS would be a big concern. Perhaps this is what Wix meant by fun was the way the cars move around

One good thing that makes me feel comfortable with how it feels and it wont feel like SHIFT/pCARS is the fact that the Bsimracing owner Wix said it met all his expectations and felt great. He also said the other day that he can race pCARS for no longer than 5 minutes before turning it off although it looks excellent in his opinion. These statements together give me confidence it feels good.
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I'm all into rF2 at the moment but I'm curious to see how Assetto Corsa will come out. I saw that video and I got the exact same feeling over that cockpit footage. Just a littlebit worried... well, we'll have to wait I guess..
 
I like pCARS, it’s pleasant to drive, and they’ve made a lot of progresses since the first day but wait: it’s ridiculous to compare rF2 physics to pCars physics. I admit pCars staff has made an excellent job on brakes: you can modulate the brake and the wheel locking has become predictable in a decent way…

However, although some of the guys are from Simbin (GTR2/GTL) they are producing (unfortunately) a multiplatform game… and there’s no way to sell a race simulator for Xbox / PS3. It’s incompatible.
They’ll never reach the GTR2 physics level, much less RF2’s level.

The Asseto Corsa' video seems awfuly arcadey by the way...
 
Satangoss said:
The Asseto Corsa' video seems awfuly arcadey by the way...
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I couldnt understand how the guy could get out of gravel so easily!!! It was easier than grass!!!
(Imola was done wonderfull on the other hand)
 
1959nikos said:
I couldnt understand how the guy could get out of gravel so easily!!! It was easier than grass!!!
(Imola was done wonderfull on the other hand)
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If you look at last part with one of the Kunos guys driving and compare that to first part, car looks to behaving a lot different, maybe it is different modes as someone noted before?

Anyway, I'm not too comfortable to discuss competitor's product on ISI's board, it feels like visting someone's home and not talk with the guy that lives at the place.
 
Cant argue with that, I feel the same way, otherwise I would be at THEIR forum discussing things, Im missing Imola anyway.
 
jtbo said:
But we don't know that, I mean anyone can read stuff from their website, but nobody has AC yet and nobody knows how modding really will work with it, there was not much modding with Netkar Pro, there was some tracks made to it, I guess there was track editor for it, but really don't know anything more about it. Also with AC being started from scratch mostly, nobody really knows yet, so it will be really interesting how things go, it also should give bit pressure for ISI to make modders choose ISI product, I believe that good documentation would be a key to that, maybe get much more people to modding that way too, but I'm sure some will go to AC also, it offers probably something rF2 does not, but also rF2 will probably have some AC has not.

Also there is not knowing physics yet, I just saw Gamescon video from AC where AI cars were competing, something funny how cars did move, but also I must say that what I saw was something rF2 is perhaps not able to do yet, no pressure, but ISI you need to improve AI more to be in competition ;)

I will have something like 7 sims soon, I thought that I pass pCars and iRacing, first because what I have read about it's handling, 2nd because of pricing and because I don't do online racing.

Oh and 8th sim Game Stock car I would need to get too, then I forgot about GPL and GTL, also GTR, but I think last one is not installed now, then many that attempt to be sims but are not like truck simulators, haven't found real sim from those yet, not after Hard Trucking 2.

It was before rFactor that there were not much of sims for my liking and that is not very long ago, now we have so many that buying one title or two per year means one has to start choosing and no longer getting them all, well maybe I for sale with some of coming titles.
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Yeah, choosing between many sims is a good problem to have! :)

It's funny b/c I don't understand the trucking thing but I don't know much about it either.
 
[NAR]Steve said:
I will definitely be buying A C when it comes out, have been trying iRacing ( got the 6 month free deal from Caddilac ) The FFB in iRacing just doesn't do anything for me. It looks nice ( not great ) but the driving just does nothing for me. Still enjoying RF1, and can't wait for RF2 to go gold.
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Agreed regarding iRacing. Can't explain it, but seems ....sterile... somehow and of course waaaayyy too expensive especially if not as good as rfactor or NKP.
 
B1K3R said:
I thought of giving it a go again yesterday and got the latest update....

After 15 minutes of trying different cars, I was disgusted (awful physics feeling!) and left disappointed...

then I said, OK OK, let me try iRacing again. I spent maybe 30 mins this time, but the cars were not behaving very realistically, was not bad....but got bored!....

Soooo, then I went back on rF2 racing with the Clio's.......and my wife had to come for me at midnight...."Are you coming to bed!!??"....otherwise I would have stayed all night! At least it was from strawberries to chocolate : )-

Cheers
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I raced Clios online at mountain forest and was literally giggling it was so much fun. Holy crap are these cars fun! It tire sounds were only better I swear I just cannot let it go. The sandpaper sounds is just horrible. Of course not as bad as the "fingers on chalkboard" of some other mods but could be much better. Other than that though wow I can't imagine having more fun. So glad for these cars especially as seems have killed the Megane LOL, what pieces of **** those are LOL.
 
Kknorpp001 said:
Yeah, choosing between many sims is a good problem to have! :)

It's funny b/c I don't understand the trucking thing but I don't know much about it either.
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Trucking is relaxation actually as you don't need to rush, or at least with any well done sim you don't need to rush, but those are few and rare, challenge is more in making intersections and lane changes without causing accidents and also more of tactical kind of game instead of action.

However game makers seem to try to make it to be action gaming and thus their attempts to create something successful are to fail.
 
GTrFreak said:
I'm all into rF2 at the moment but I'm curious to see how Assetto Corsa will come out. I saw that video and I got the exact same feeling over that cockpit footage. Just a littlebit worried... well, we'll have to wait I guess..
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Well I felt good about it until you guys ruined it for me. LOL. Seriously, though, I also agree regarding the cockpit but was thinking maybe it was just in my head until you guys perceived same thing. Fingers crossed!
 
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